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Post by arnzilla on Oct 20, 2023 15:05:58 GMT -5
SPOILERS WELCOME!
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Post by arnzilla on Oct 20, 2023 15:42:24 GMT -5
I need to see it again to wrap my head around it, in IMAX. But here's a mishmash of initial thoughts. I'll update it when they come to.me...
1. All genocide is gaslighting.
2. KotFM has the best non-title title sequence in Scorsese's filmography: the oil dance with a sublime Robbie Robertson track.
3. The film's pace isn't slow, it's the scenes themselves that have room to breathe.
4 Did anyone else get a prescreening "thank you" from Scorsese in a BTS vid? I thought it lessened the impact of Scorsese's finale cameo.
5. Brendan Fraser was supposed to be a bombastic, ridiculous, blowhard. Some critics equate that with a bad performance.
6. I felt like the camera was on Ernest for a full five unbroken minutes while a smooth John Lithgow questions him. Great scene.
7. Mollie ends her final visit with Ernest with an homage to the final shot of The Searchers: a door closing.
8. DeNiro's leg injury could be seen in the courtroom stairs scene. Scorsese probably kept it in for Hale working the sympathy angle. He should've used a cane to drive it home.
9. Jason Isbell does a lot with a little.
10. The character actor faces were INCREDIBLE.
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Post by nas78 on Oct 20, 2023 16:59:36 GMT -5
I`ve just returned from the cinema. I`m overwhelmed.
The Best Film Of The Year.
Marty`s Best Film Of His Career.
An Epic Film. An Instant Classic. A Masterpiece.
My Top 5 Favorite Scenes
The opening oil dance scene.
The wedding scene.
The Osage council scene.
The burning fields scene.
The closing dance scene.
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Post by arnzilla on Oct 20, 2023 17:02:25 GMT -5
25 minutes until my IMAX screening!
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Post by arnzilla on Oct 21, 2023 8:29:07 GMT -5
DiCaprio's acting in his final visit with Mollie.  |
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Post by archer6749! on Oct 21, 2023 17:26:47 GMT -5
Ah! I'm the admin of a Facebook group for this movie/book and it's so refreshing to get to come back on this board and just talk with the regulars that has been here for a long time. For me I loved the movie. I think there was a couple of things that might have been confusing for viewers who didn't read the book, but my favorite scenes were the interrogation scenes between Ernest and Tom White. I've been hearing a lot of people talk about how powerful Lily Gladstone's performance is, but that scene where Ernest found out his youngest child died was so hard to watch. Despite everything he did, no parent should ever lose an innocent child that way and Leo's reaction was very haunting and real, like Lily's was in the basement when she collapsed on the bottom stairs.
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Post by arnzilla on Oct 21, 2023 21:39:29 GMT -5
Cameos!
Scorsese's voice tells President Coolidge to look toward the cameras.
"Radioman" walks past Tom White outside looking at a reflection while stakeouting.
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Post by arnzilla on Oct 22, 2023 7:58:40 GMT -5
Best edited scene...
Ernest picking up Mollie for the first time amidst the drag racing.
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Post by leonevsscorsese on Oct 23, 2023 1:17:42 GMT -5
Just came back from my first screening, but may wait until second viewing before a decent review. First impressions are this is Di Caprio's best performance under Scorsese's direction. Just incredible acting on all fronts. Every scene he has with Mollie works so damn well.
It's an excellent picture and stylistically follows where Scorsese is as a filmmaker post-Wolf of Wall Street. I think Silence, The Irishman and Killers show consistency in their delivery despite very different stories.
The runtime is a non-issue and experienced reviewers like Mark Kermode (who never seems to love any recent Scorsese film) who call it out as some sort of flaw, should remind themselves why no one saw an issue with 3 hour+ epics any time before the 1980s. People these days can barely handle a 1 minute TikTok video.
Can't wait to see it again.
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Post by arnzilla on Oct 23, 2023 12:45:49 GMT -5
One of the two lies Ernest keeps from Mollie at the film's end is that he was poisoning her insulin with something that "slows her down" (like barbiturates) after she meets with the President in DC. "What were you giving me?" Mollie asks calmly. "What?" Ernest responds dimly. "What was in my medicine?" He stutters and smirks and frowns for an ETERNITY, until he finally answers with a shrug "insulin." It's a lie, of course. She knows it but seemingly was willing to, certainly not forgive him for participating in the murder of her sisters, but somehow absolve him. Conspiring to kill the Kyle sisters, murdering the PI Mollie hired... Ernest copped to it all. She never would have remained his wife, but she seemed open to his "disposition" until she realized that her personal health and welfare were ultimately irrelevant to him.
The other lie was the one Ernest told the prosecutor: the nature of the genesis of his relationship with his future wife. He was under Hale's orders, yet still felt the relationship was organic. He seemed to genuinely believe what he told John Lithgow's character. However, the "insulin" showdown was a bald-faced lie and a bridge too far for Mollie. She wouldn't have stayed married to him, but it was an important question for her. Genocide through gaslighting in the safety of her own home is chilling. I think Mollie getting healthy may be Scorsese's first Rocky-like training montage. I guess The Color of Money sorta had one, too. Is Gladstone Supporting or Lead? She's featured in two hours of the movie. That's a lot more than Hannibal Lecter or Don Corleone in their respective films. Imagining KotFM without her character is like imagining those other two characters missing from their films. I could see it going either way, fairly. Mollie ends her final visit with Ernest with an ironic homage to the final shot of The Searchers: a door closing. Then there's Scorsese's reading of Mollie's actual obituary which left tears in my eyes.
It's a deliberately-paced film, for sure. It isn't slow, it's that the scenes themselves seem to have LOTS of room to breathe and leave the characters room to inhabit their environment. The performances across the board are among the best in Scorsese's filmography. even the bombastic, blow-hardy Brendan Fraser. "DUMB BOY!" The character actor faces are INCREDIBLE. I think this is DiCaprio's best Scorsese performance. John Lithgow's smooth cross-examination of Ernest was exemplary. Only one cutaway and the rest of the time it's a still camera resting on Ernest spilling the beans about most everything, but Mollie. Great scene. And the jail scene, of course, when Ernest learns of his child's death. Those two scenes are his best after Mollie's quiet confrontation at the end.
Hale's Best scene: The outdoor festival when Ernest tells Hale that the man with the big hat arrived at his house and Hale physically restrains Ernest as he tells him to calm down.
Mollie's best scenes: everything.
Best-edited scenes: Ernest picking up Mollie for the first time amidst the loud drag racing and the funky oil dance/prologue with the sublime Robbie Robertson track, "Osage Oil Boom." I also loved his scoring of the wedding scene.
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Post by arnzilla on Oct 24, 2023 16:00:46 GMT -5
Anybody notice the split screen of the children's eyes during the tribal council?
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Post by CharlieKappa on Oct 25, 2023 4:49:10 GMT -5
Anybody notice the split screen of the children's eyes during the tribal council? Yeah, it was very Brian de Palma... |
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Post by arnzilla on Oct 26, 2023 15:22:15 GMT -5
Fraser nailed it!  |
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