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Post by piglet on Dec 12, 2013 9:31:13 GMT -5
I obviously have't seen either WOW or American Hustle but from what I understand Russell basically made a Scorsese movie. Yet, AH is getting all the hype and Scorsese gets snubbed by the Globes. So Russell was better at Scorsese this year than Scorsese?
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Post by sikri06 on Dec 12, 2013 10:40:24 GMT -5
So Russell was better at Scorsese this year than Scorsese? No, Russell made a way more accessible film. That's not the same as a better film. You have to know who these people are at HFPA. They are old and they like to feel warm and fuzzy when seeing a movie, so they are prone to love typical Oscar-bait. Scorsese missing out is a mystery to me, because even though they obviously didn't like it, that usually doesn't matter with them. They just wanna hang out with the stars if they can find an excuse. Marty needs to get DGA and BAFTA now to get an Oscar-nom. Leo needs to get BAFTA and Critic's Choice nom. to have a shot at the Oscars. This is a major blow, there is no way of denying it. Winning at the Oscars was never a real possibility. The academy just doesn't like the subject matter.
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Post by piglet on Dec 12, 2013 11:23:37 GMT -5
It seems that violence in films is more "accessible" than sex and drugs. Not that AH has violence but "Goodfellas" which WOW had been compared to, is plenty violent (20 years ago violent) and "Django" which had similar tracking as WOW (late release, divisive, extremely long) had a 30 minute blood bath, yet it got several GG moms and won two Oscars. Am I correct about this, I.e. violence okay but sex, drugs and nudity not okay?
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Post by will on Dec 12, 2013 11:32:17 GMT -5
Marty needs to get DGA and BAFTA now to get an Oscar-nom. Leo needs to get BAFTA and Critic's choice nom. to have a shot at the Oscars. This is a major blow, there is no way of denying it. Winning at the Oscars was never a real possibility. The academy just doesn't like the subject matter. I agree, sikri. Ignoring the enthusiasm of the first reactions, this kind of film could only ever hope for a good showing at the oscars, 5-6 nominations, not a Best Picture win. Now, it can only aim for getting a best picture nomination and maybe screenplay...? If it turns out to be popular, as I'm expecting it to be, then maybe Jonah Hill can also make it in, since I've read he has been campaigning.
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Post by kim on Dec 12, 2013 20:27:53 GMT -5
Not surprised WOWS barely got many nominations, there were some rumors the HFPA was turned off by its racy content. That said, a Best Picture nomination is still good, especially since they could of easily nominated the baitier August: Osage County instead. This definitely won't win any Oscars I think, but it may still be able to make the top 10 for Best Picture. The screenplay and Scorsese snub today was surprising given they love him so much, but the Globes are not the best indications of Oscar nominations people. Sometimes they've even got as low as 2/5 matching the Oscars with their lineups. I think we all knew American Hustle would do better here and awards wise in general, it looks much more accessible and friendly as others have stated above and it has more likeable characters.
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Post by will on Dec 13, 2013 10:45:27 GMT -5
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Post by piglet on Dec 13, 2013 12:07:28 GMT -5
Critics groups really don't like DiCaprio. He couldn't even get their love for "The Departed."
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Post by sikri06 on Dec 13, 2013 13:56:13 GMT -5
It seems that violence in films is more "accessible" than sex and drugs. This has been (and still is) one of the big double standards both with the MPAA and with industry awards. Violence is accepted, but non-pornographic consensual sex and nudity isn't.
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Post by arnzilla on Dec 13, 2013 15:12:38 GMT -5
I can never keep track of all these bloggers. I confuse one with the other and cannot remember what each is supporting/attacking. The one I'm waiting to hear from is Anne Thompson because I think she has a good grasp of what plays well with Oscar people. She's not big on the film, apparently (rating a 70/100), and she placed it at No.9 on the new Gurus of Gold. Other BFCA members ratingsScott Feinberg - 90Steve Pond - 80Dave Karger - 70Susan Granger - 70Rebecca Murray - 60TWOWS 88/100 (currently) HUGO 87/100 SHUTTER ISLAND 81/100 THE DEPARTED 91/100 THE AVIATOR 94/100 GONY 86/100
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Post by kim on Dec 13, 2013 16:38:44 GMT -5
WOWS got nominations for Best Picture, Best Director, Best Screenplay, Best Actor, and Best Editing by the San Francisco Film Critics Circle. sffcc.org/main/2013/12/2013-san-francisco-film-critics-circle-nominees/Best Picture AMERICAN HUSTLE GRAVITY NEBRASKA 12 YEARS A SLAVE THE WOLF OF WALL STREET Best Director Alfonso Cuaron, GRAVITY Spike Jonze, HER Steve McQueen, 12 YEARS A SLAVE David O. Russell, AMERICAN HUSTLE Martin Scorsese, THE WOLF OF WALL STREET Best Actor Bruce Dern, NEBRASKA Leonardo DiCaprio, THE WOLF OF WALL STREET Chiwetel Ejiofor, 12 YEARS A SLAVE Matthew McConaughey, DALLAS BUYERS CLUB Robert Redford, ALL IS LOST Best Screenplay, Adapted BEFORE MIDNIGHT, Richard Linklater; Julie Delpy and Ethan Hawke PHILOMENA, Steve Coogan and Jeff Pope THE SPECTACULAR NOW, Scott Neustadter and Michael H. Weber 12 YEARS A SLAVE, John Ridley THE WOLF OF WALL STREET, Terence Winter Best Editing ALL IS LOST, Pete Beaudreau AMERICAN HUSTLE, Alan Baumgarten; Jay Cassidy and Crispin Struthers CAPTAIN PHILLIPS, Christopher Rouse GRAVITY, Alfonso Cuaron and Mark Sanger 12 YEARS A SLAVE, Joe Walker THE WOLF OF WALL STREET, Thelma Shoonmaker
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Post by sikri06 on Dec 13, 2013 16:56:59 GMT -5
The San Francisco critics had time to see it.
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Post by piglet on Dec 13, 2013 17:17:42 GMT -5
My two favorite cities liked WOW - Boston and San Francisco!
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Post by sikri06 on Dec 14, 2013 14:03:25 GMT -5
which director you think is vulnerable? Alexander Payne and maybe Paul Greengrass. Steve McQueen and Alfonso Cuaron are locked and David O. Russell is close to also being a lock. I could see why directors would appreciate Greengrass' achievement, so basically I think the most vulnerable is Payne. Nebraska seems to have more support from the acting branch than the directing branch anyway.
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Post by will on Dec 14, 2013 14:16:35 GMT -5
thanks. I'd be fine with either of them missing I wish we could hear more about how Academy voters are responding, or if they've seen it at all. Unless they're all waiting to watch it on a screener.
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Post by arnzilla on Dec 15, 2013 19:19:32 GMT -5
Other BFCA members ratingsScott Feinberg - 90Steve Pond - 80Dave Karger - 70Susan Granger - 70Rebecca Murray - 60TWOWS 88/100 (currently) HUGO 87/100 SHUTTER ISLAND 81/100 THE DEPARTED 91/100 THE AVIATOR 94/100 GONY 86/100 Add Edward Douglas - 90TWOWS is now at 90/100.
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